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Subject: Mouchel/Stephen Parker
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 09:07:46 -0000
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From: "Councillor Roger West" <Roger.West@Bournemouth.gov.uk>
To: "Administration & Resource Overview & Scrutiny Panel" <CouncilPanel-Administration&ValueForMoneyOverviewPanel@Bournemouth.gov.uk>
Cc: "David Harrison" <David.Harrison@Bournemouth.gov.uk>,
	"David Higgins" <David.Higgins@Bournemouth.gov.uk>,
	"Andy Mudd" <AMudd@apse.org.uk>,
	"Councillor Carol Ainge" <Carol.Ainge@Bournemouth.gov.uk>

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Administration and Resources O&S Panel

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Dear Panel Members.

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I am in the process of writing a report on the subject of our
incremental outsourcing arrangements with Mouchel and why I think
Stephen Parker was right to warn us. I am appalled that we did not thank
him for his email of the 11th October which included some very
challenging statements that should have sounded warning bells. I come
from a political background where I welcome an open debate and that
discussion should take place with mutual respect, something we are not
showing our Chief Accountant. I am also very concerned that after many
requests for a redacted copy of his email, I still have not received
one. It all makes me very suspicious.=20

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My report will not centre on the dire straights that Mouchel are in,
though of course it is a factor in our debate.

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It is interesting to look at the composition of our panel. I have never
in over 12 years as a Councillor had any input into either the financial
or the audit and governance aspect of the Council though I make no
secret of the fact that I have always thought mass outsourcing of
complete business units was a flawed concept. We are just nine Members
with only three who could possibly have been in agreement with the
initial decision to sign the contract in November 2010 (Cllrs Borthwick,
Kelsey and Wakefield). However as you must all be aware, as Members of
this or any other scrutiny panel, our role is to each individually
understand the issues and with no influence from our Party come to a
conclusion (this is in the Constitution). To this end training is very
important, something recognised by Cllr Grower as chair of Audit and
Governance for his "new boys" of which I am one.

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It might seem strange but our individual responsibility is greater than
that of a Cabinet Member as they have the concept of collective
responsibility, we do not. The Cabinet Member for Resources might wish
to drive through a policy and his/her fellow Cabinet Members would
support that policy. We do not have that luxury. We each have to fully
understand the issues and, with no whip, come to a conclusion.

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I agree with the Chairman, Mike Greene, that our meetings should be
brief as we should, each one of us, fully understood the issues before
the meeting, ask questions and consult officers. I have done just that
and will soon share these thoughts with you.

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Please note the links below, one from Rochdale dated 20th October and
the second from Lincoln dated 23rd November.

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http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/62270

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http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Council-contractors-Mouchel-hit-budg
et-cuts/story-13871227-detail/story.html

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Best wishes, Roger

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Cllr Roger West

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Administration
and Resources O&amp;S Panel<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Dear Panel Members.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>I am in the process of writing a report on the =
subject of
our incremental outsourcing arrangements with Mouchel and why I think =
Stephen
Parker was right to warn us. I am appalled that we did not thank him for =
his
email of the 11<sup>th</sup> October which included some very =
challenging
statements that should have sounded warning bells. I come from a =
political
background where I welcome an open debate and that discussion should =
take place
with mutual respect, something we are not showing our Chief Accountant. =
I am
also very concerned that after many requests for a redacted copy of his =
email,
I still have not received one. It all makes me very suspicious. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>My report will not centre on the dire straights that
Mouchel are in, though of course it is a factor in our =
debate.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>It is interesting to look at the composition of our =
panel.
I have never in over 12 years as a Councillor had any input into either =
the
financial or the audit and governance aspect of the Council though I =
make no
secret of the fact that I have always thought mass outsourcing of =
complete
business units was a flawed concept. We are just nine Members with only =
three
who could possibly have been in agreement with the initial decision to =
sign the
contract in November 2010 (Cllrs Borthwick, Kelsey and <st1:City =
w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
 w:st=3D"on">Wakefield</st1:place></st1:City>). However as you must all =
be aware,
as Members of this or any other scrutiny panel, our role is to each
individually understand the issues and with no influence from our Party =
come to
a conclusion (this is in the Constitution). To this end training is very
important, something recognised by Cllr Grower as chair of Audit and =
Governance
for his &#8220;new boys&#8221; of which I am =
one.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>It might seem strange but our individual =
responsibility is
greater than that of a Cabinet Member as they have the concept of =
collective
responsibility, we do not. The Cabinet Member for Resources might wish =
to drive
through a policy and his/her fellow Cabinet Members would support that =
policy.
We do not have that luxury. We each have to fully understand the issues =
and,
with no whip, come to a conclusion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>I agree with the Chairman, Mike Greene, that our =
meetings
should be brief as we should, each one of us, fully understood the =
issues
before the meeting, ask questions and consult officers. I have done just =
that
and will soon share these thoughts with =
you.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'>Please note the links below, one from Rochdale dated =
20<sup>th</sup>
October and the second from <st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Lincoln</st1:place></st1:City>
dated 23<sup>rd</sup> November.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'><a
href=3D"http://www.rochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/62270">http://www.r=
ochdaleonline.co.uk/news-features/62270</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet MS";color:black'><a
href=3D"http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Council-contractors-Mouchel-h=
it-budget-cuts/story-13871227-detail/story.html"
title=3D"http://www.thisislincolnshire.co.uk/Council-contractors-Mouchel-=
hit-budget-cuts/story-13871227-detail/story.html">http://www.thisislincol=
nshire.co.uk/Council-contractors-Mouchel-hit-budget-cuts/story-13871227-d=
etail/story.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3D"Trebuchet =
MS"><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Trebuchet =
MS";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Best wishes, =
Roger<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-size:
11.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:black'>Cllr Roger =
West</span></font><font
color=3Dblack face=3DTahoma><span =
style=3D'font-family:Tahoma;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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